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good question.
my brother says: "I can't help wondering how it feels to be in a party whose ground operation is centered on keeping people from voting. Wouldn't that feel wrong, somehow?"
what he's talking about:
this is not to suggest that there is one side that's squeaky-clean and one that's up to its ears in filth. no matter who wins, the losing side is going to be utterly convinced it's because the winners cheated. that's not the issue here. the issue is, the republicans are actively trying to prevent citizens from voting.
in what way is this okay?!
republican readers are invited to respond.
[eta: responses so far:
none of which actually answers the question: in what way is this okay? i say it's not okay coming from either side, but that it's coming faster and harder from the right than from the left. is the other position that it is okay as long as everybody's doing it?]
what he's talking about:
all newly-registered voters in lake county, ohio received a letter not from the board of elections saying, substantially, that a large number of people had been invalidly registered by the kerry campaign, or by moveon.org, or by americans coming together, and that anyone registered wrong who attempts to vote will be breaking the law. good language to use to scare off poorer or minority-group or inner-city voters. the rule in ohio had been that each party could register one challenger per polling place. the democrats did this; the republicans, in many districts, registered one challenger per precinct, i.e. several challengers per polling place. the deadline having passed, the (republican) secretary of state decided the one-per-precinct limit would stand -- but of course it was too late for the democrats to register more challengers. a judge told blackwell this was "unlawful, arbitrary, unreasonable, and unconscionable", and ordered him to revert to the previous rule or be held in contempt of court (for all the good that would do). it seems that the rule has been set back to one challenger per polling place; but if nine republican challengers arrive at a polling place with nine precincts in it, who will send eight of them away? election officials will have the first go at this, but if the challengers won't leave, the police will be called. a clever little plan: send along multiple challengers who happen to be minorities. that way, voters who are already in doubt as to the validity of their registration may arrive to see minorities being hauled away by the cops. niiice. to say nothing of the "ballot security" people planning to harass voters on their way in to the polling place, posing as election workers (without actually identifying themselves as such, so no, they're not actively impersonating anyone) and telling people they may not be registered, may be breaking the law, etc., and past whom voters will have to be led, as if they were scared young women on their way into an abortion clinic, with assurances that they don't have to listen to them if they don't want.
this is not to suggest that there is one side that's squeaky-clean and one that's up to its ears in filth. no matter who wins, the losing side is going to be utterly convinced it's because the winners cheated. that's not the issue here. the issue is, the republicans are actively trying to prevent citizens from voting.
in what way is this okay?!
republican readers are invited to respond.
[eta: responses so far:
(1) the letter is valid (i don't agree, but there's not going to be a lot of mind-changing on that one);
(2) source it (which i have done);
(3) that's conjecture (it's apparently among the plans, in the toledo area);
(4) scare tactics! bah!
with a running motif of well, there have been cases of early republican voters being intimidated, too, so it's coming from both sides.
none of which actually answers the question: in what way is this okay? i say it's not okay coming from either side, but that it's coming faster and harder from the right than from the left. is the other position that it is okay as long as everybody's doing it?]
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*g,d&rrrrrr*
(No seriously. There have been instances of Bush early voters intimidated, etc. I suppose each camp will have its horror stories, but all the Republicans I know, which is quite a bit, are going "we have to be very careful to slam on irregularities first, otherwise the Dems will contest our victory.")
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"we have to be very careful to slam on irregularities first, otherwise the Dems will contest our victory"?! what the hell does that mean? get in their faces before they can get in ours? lie to people about the consequences of trying to vote if they're not registered, in the hope that maybe they won't come out at all, and therefore there won't be anything to contest?
seriously. see above, and explain to me why any of those bullet points is acceptable. i don't believe that most individual republican voters are teh ebil, any more than i believe that most individual democratic voters are saints -- but how is this kind of scheming okay?
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1. Not being there, I can't say I checked (and neither did you) but there are indeed reports of false registrations, double registrations, and registrations of people who're notcitizens. So the letter is perfectly valid.
2. Please source this one as I wasn't aware of it.
3. This is conjecture. voters who are already in doubt as to the validity of their registration may arrive to see minorities being hauled away by the cops. Yes, and voters arriving by flying saucer will try & make Martians vote. Or whatever. If I listen to many of my democrat friends, Republicans are one step from coming in with storm troops. Scare tactics, and silly.
4. "ballot security" people planning to harass voters on their way in to the polling place, posing as election workers (without actually identifying themselves as such, so no, they're not actively impersonating anyone)
There are several instance that I am aware of of intimidation of early Bush-Cheny voters. I'll be generous and say spirits are high-strung, but on this one, I could muster at the very least as much indignation as you.
I am rather tired of seeing the Democrats grabbing the high moral ground, such as it is, and whining. No, you will not make me believe that Republicans are less honest and less committed to fair elections; There may be scattered abuses, but they're on both sides. And that is all I shall say about the subject. Frankly, this alarmist tone makes me sick.
part 1
http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isvot/109922589190290.xml (http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isvot/109922589190290.xml)
part 2
so it looks like blackwell went, in the space of a few weeks, from allowing one challenger per polling place to allowing two challengers per precinct to banning all challengers altogether to pissing people off.
There are several instance that I am aware of of intimidation of early Bush-Cheny voters.
and that's not okay either. i don't remember saying it was; and it's certainly not a solution to the problem of people from the other side intimidating kerry voters.
the solution is not to challenge people's right to vote; the solution is to make sure everybody can vote. which is sort of what i've been saying.
Re: part 2
update
So the letter is perfectly valid.
even if they fake the letterhead (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/31/192155/73) and pretend to be from the board of elections?!
put another way:
"otherwise they will contest our victory" doesn't do a lot to make me revise that assessment.
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that's what i said.
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Much shorter version: this time, it looks like Bush has the popular vote, and it's a question of whether he'll have the electoral vote. The Republicans are very, very, very nervous of intimidation by Dems on this, what with the 10,000 lawyers gig, etc. Call it paranoia if you will; I was pointing out with my *g,d&r* that there is plenty of paranoia on bith sides.
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:-)
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And, not that I'm doubting you or anything, but you haven't been terribly efficient with your more hot-headed brethren - the number of times I've had to endure the "Bush isn't really President" spiel...
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yeah, sorry about that. the folks who keep pulling that one out fall firmly under the heading you're making my side look stupid - stop being on my side. (michael moore is their leader.)