fox: angry face: you have misused that comma for the last bloody time! (comma (by Sam))
fox ([personal profile] fox) wrote2005-04-25 11:44 am

memo

to: speakers of English
from:  fox
re: various

dear english speakers:

please note that, just as a man cannot be anyone's fiancée, he cannot be anyone's confidante.  we have borrowed these words whole from french, in which language a distinction is made on the basis of gender; therefore fiancées and confidantes are women, and if you are engaged to a man he is your fiancé and if you confide in and trust him he is your confidant.  (i'd prefer that you not pronounce the t in confidant, but that's a point i can stretch.)

also:  the mechanism used to stop a car or train is the brake.  please cease at once to use the phrase "the train put on the breaks."  especially if you are writing for a major newspaper.

thank you.

prescriptively,
fox

[identity profile] gaeta.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, good luck maintaining order
;~)

[identity profile] foulds.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
Oh face it, Fox, English is absolutely full of misused derivatives. So many words from the classical languages take no account of agreement, gender, number, tense and so on. My philosophy is this;

Ignore it. Let everyone else make idiots out of themselves by misusing langauge, then get looked at strangely for laughing at them for using an english word correctly.

[identity profile] chains-of-irony.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
You have a Sam icon! How very appropriate for academic rage (actually, you remind me of him just a little...)

And Grrr, especially at that journalist.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
i remind you of our relative ages. he reminds you of me.

;-)

[identity profile] datlowen.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
What is it with the Post recently? After the naval/navel error on Thursday, whoever wrote their horoscopes on Friday siggested that Virgos "illicit advice." I'd write them and ask them if they need a copy editor, but I don't write letters and they can't afford me. So.

[identity profile] sowilo.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The other day, the Post used the word "unostentatious". I weep for the future.

[identity profile] servalan.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't know that about the "confidante" thing. Is that still in descriptive US grammar?

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
it's in merriam-webster online, and i also know people who do still preserve the distinction. is that descriptive enough? ;-) ('cause, i mean, if you go by what appears in the Post, then no -- but see [livejournal.com profile] datlowen's comment for the Post's recent copy editing successes.)

[identity profile] parsnip.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Could you drop in a word about blond and blonde</> while you're there? I seem to be the only person who acknowledges a difference.

Also, I need your advice as an anal linguist (and I mean that as a compliment). Apostrophe. Is it blob-at-the-top-and-tail-pointing-to-the-left (like a "9"), or blob-at-the-top-and-tail-pointing-to-the-right (like a "c")? All my fonts on here have it pointing to the left, but my mother swears blind that it's the other way around. I'm going to part with a sum of money to get one permanently drawn on my back, so I want to be sure of it, lol!

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
i, too, make a distinction between "blond" and "blonde", and when i'm talking about hair, which has no gender, i often use "fair" just to avoid the issue entirely. :-)

i'm happy to report that i believe the apostrophe looks like a 9 in the absence of particular reasons for it to go the other way (such as if a word is abbreviated by lopping off the beginning of it, like 'phone used to be), in which event the point is to the right but the blob goes on the bottom. (this is what Microsoft Word will give you if you turn on "smart quotes", incidentally, though it calls them right and left single quotation marks, respectively.) however, it's not really my department -- i am fussy about this sort of thing, but to really be positive you'd want not an anal linguist, but an anal copy-editor or typesetter. :-) good luck!

[identity profile] parsnip.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
damn. screwed up the italics.
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[identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com 2005-04-26 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Er, well, um, it's "confident" if we want to get technical...

*ducks*

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-04-26 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
confident isn't an adjective, and confidant(e) a noun?