fox: angry face: you have misused that comma for the last bloody time! (comma (by Sam))
fox ([personal profile] fox) wrote2005-12-10 05:51 pm

MEMO

to:  ALL ENGLISH SPEAKERS EVERYWHERE
from:  ME
re:  RAAAR

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

UNIQUE ≠ UNUSUAL.  THE WORD MEANS 'ONE OF A KIND' AND THAT IS ALL IT MEANS.

i'm sorry to raise my voice, but honestly.  this has gone on long enough.

[identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The only problem is that a number of dictionaries list "unusual" as one of the definitions of unique.

Compact OED (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/unique?view=uk)

unique
• adjective 1 being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. 2 (unique to) belonging or connected to (one particular person, group, or place). 3 remarkable or unusual.

[identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That is so wrong!

For another wrong use of unique - a thing is not more unique or less unique than another thing. It's either unique or it's not.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, exactly. 'very unique'? NONONONONONO.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
too descriptive! they are merely tossing a bone to people who use the word that way, which is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. rar.

[identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
Of the dictionaries I checked online, 75% had unusual as a definition for unique. What's the OED (non-compact version) say?

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
i'm away from the oxford network at the moment, so i won't have that answer until the 10th of january. but look at the word itself: UNIque. uni=one. it's an absolute. it's like 'pregnant' or 'dead'. a woman is either pregnant or she isn't (the colloquial question 'how pregnant is she' meaning 'how long has she been pregnant', and the expression 'very pregnant' meaning 'close to term'); a person or animal is either dead or it isn't (it can be nearly dead, but it can't be more dead than dead); and a thing is either unique or it isn't.

the fact that scads of people don't know this doesn't make them right. look at 'imply' and 'infer'.

[identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
What? Obviously I haven't been debating the fact that unique is binary, but rather your claim that unusual isn't a proper definition for unique.

Maybe you're right and the leading dictionaries I checked are all wrong, but I doubt it.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
i'm saying that because 'unique' is binary, 'unusual' is an imprecise and therefore incorrect definition of it. as [livejournal.com profile] jgesteve points out downthread, actually anything unique is naturally unusual. it's just that something that's one of a kind isn't just unusual; it's unique. conversely, using 'unique' to describe something that isn't one of a kind is wrong. it's like saying someone is a graduate of a university just because he used to be a student there and now he isn't. all graduates were once students, that is, but not everyone who was once a student is a graduate.

and dictionaries say a lot of things. they give 'flout' as one acceptable definition of 'flaunt'. doesn't make it right. :-)

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2006-01-14 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
i just remembered that we were arguing talking about this, and now that i'm back here, i chose to avoid my work by looking it up. :-) OED says:

unique, a. and n.

A. adj.


    1. Of which there is only one; one and no other; single, sole, solitary.
    2. a. That is or forms the only one of its kind; having no like or equal; standing alone in comparison with others, freq. by reason of superior excellence; unequalled, unparalleled, unrivalled.
        b. Of persons.
        c. absol. with the: (see quots.).
  +3. Formed or consisting of one or a single thing. Obs.—1

B. n.

    1. a. A thing of which there is only one example, copy, or specimen; esp., in early use, a coin or medal of this class.
      +b. Something of which only one is possessed by a person or persons. Obs. rare.
    2. a. A thing, fact, or circumstance which by reason of exceptional or special qualities stands alone and is without equal or parallel in its kind.
        b. A person of this class.

[identity profile] jgesteve.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually by logical extrapolation an item that is unique is perforce unusual (i.e. not usual), however an item that is unusual is not necessarily unique... that whole a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square thing.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-10 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[reads this]

true.

but it is still not okay to use 'unique' to mean merely 'unusual'. what prompted the rant was a commercial for a place not far from here advertising 'unique items that you've never seen anywhere else'. well, like, if they're unique, i couldn't have seen them anywhere else, could i? and don't even get me started on wrongnesses like 'incredibly unique'. RAR.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
but the more i think about it, the more i'm okay with the expression unique ≠ unusual. unique ∈ unusual, of course, but they're not equal. unique ⊂ unusual, but ¬(unique ⊆ unusual).

just to get thoroughly geeky and formal-semantic about it. :-)

[identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
So what's something that's unique but not unusual, that is, unique and usual?

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
as 'unique' means 'singular', there can be nothing that is both unique and common.
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[identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] fafou.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
got thanks for the update!