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fox ([personal profile] fox) wrote2008-04-30 03:48 pm

talk to me about cars

It had to happen some time: my faithful car, the Jetta that I bought from [livejournal.com profile] datlowen almost a hundred thousand miles ago, is about ready to hang it up.

I took him in this morning for is 120K service (the last Major Service he had was at 40; 80 was just about when I got him back from my brother, and I didn't do the minor at 100, although I did do the interim -- or whatever it's called -- at 95), and asked them to fix the alignment while they were at it, and also, by the way, the washer fluid spritzer was held together with packing tape, and can you let me know what it would take to fix the slightly-skewed bumper.

The guy called me to say they'd done the service and put a clamp on the washer fluid hose so that wouldn't come apart anymore. But before going on, he wanted to talk about some other things:
  • the car needs new strut mounts, he said, and there's no point in fixing the alignment without replacing these. importance of alignment, on a scale of 1 to 10: 3. importance of strut mounts: 9 to alignment, 6 overall. cost of strut mounts: $360 (P&L). cost of alignment: $200.
  • the bumper can be fixed with new clips and brackets and blah blah blah. importance: 1. cost: $195.
  • the front brakes are worn down to 5% remaining, which would absolutely fail a safety inspection, and rightly so, because it's not safe. importance: 10. cost: $570.
  • the timing belt, which the manufacturer recommends replacing between 80,000 and 100,000 miles, has never been replaced. the car is now at 117K. the timing belt is worn, and if it fails, the engine will more or less self-destruct, is how I understand it. importance: 9. cost (including water pump): $1200.
So I ignored everything under 9 out of 10, and dithered for a while about the timing belt, and finally decided, you know, that's the one. That's the repair that's putting me over the edge. I called the guy back and said fix the brakes, because I'm not actually an idiot, but no timing belt please, I won't be keeping the car much longer.

I will be very sad about this when I pick him up at the dealership tomorrow, and even sadder when I finally trade him in, but we've had a good long run together, and I feel kind of peaceful about it. At the very least, it will be good to be giving up a car voluntarily, and not because it was totalled in an accident or because it fell out from behind me or similar.

So I'm thinking about what I'm going to drive next. I like the Prius, but doesn't everyone? The price there is not especially flexible, and who knows how long I'd have to wait for one. I also like the Mini, but likewise, one doesn't want to be a cliche. I've been seeing a lot of Scions around lately, and their website tells me I could buy a new xD for under $16K, which is you have no idea how appealing. Pending a test drive, that's the current front-runner.

But I'm entertaining other recommendations. Tell me about your cars, and what you like about them, and what you don't like, and what kind of gas mileage you get. No suggestion is too daft.

[identity profile] kmg-365.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I like pretty much everything about my car (http://www.lexus.com/models/IS/). My only complaints: There is a rattle in the cabin if a song has really deep bass, or if I hit a bump in the road. The latter doesn't happen all of the time, so the dealer hasn't been able to fix it.

What I love most about it is that I don't have to do anything but drive. Everything is automated (interior/exterior lights, climate control, stereo volume) or can be controlled by voice commands or buttons on the steering wheel. Oh, and the styling ain't half bad, either.

Gas mileage isn't too bad for a 6-cylinder: 22/28 (I get better than the advertised 18/25). What is bad is that I have to put in high test gasoline.

Considering I'm about to move to a home that is 1.5 miles from the office, my gas mileage isn't much of a concern anymore. :-D

My little sister as the Scion xD, and she really digs it. She particularly likes how well her iPod integrates with the sound system. You probably can't go wrong with it. It, like my car, is a Toyota after all.

If you want a really daft suggestion, head out on Route 28 north of Dulles Airport and visit the Ferrari/Maseratti/Lambourghini dealership.

You know an automotive dealership is a tad on the absurd side when their "trashy" cars that they leave out on the lot are Maserattis.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you'll like this: I said to the Scion guy, "See, I actually like the look of the tC the best, it's just the two-door thing. If there were a sedan version of that car --" And he said "There is. It's called a Lexus IS." Heh. :-)

[identity profile] kmg-365.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The salesperson is pretty funny.

The body styling of the IS is fairly similar to the tC. However, the finishes are a little better in the IS. :-D

[identity profile] panjianlien.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
If I were going to look at another compact car right now, and wnated to keep costs low, I would, in order of priority, look for a used Prius, a used Honda Civic hybrid, and then start thinking about non-hybrids like Honda Civics (ours is 7 years old, nearing 100K, and still going strong, with very low emissions and good gas mileage). Don't know much about Scions... but I do know that as of now, 4 people on my street have bought Minis and every single one of them adores the car.

[identity profile] fafou.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I know a guy that can do your brakes for half of the cost you listed here


And he's really nice

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
They're already working on it at the dealership, but thanks.

[identity profile] fafou.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I stopped going to dealerships years ago the unnecessarily high labor cost was *way* to much for me to deal with.
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[identity profile] mrshamill.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
You want we should bring Consumer Reports car issue when we pick you up Friday? They've got the specs and story of just about everything out there.

Besides the Prius, Honda makes a hybrid (which we have). We're very happy with ours.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
My brother has the Civic hybrid. He likes it fine, but would have got a Prius if he could have without waiting six weeks. (And this was after careful comparison shopping, as well -- my sister-in-law is unswayed by hype. [g])

[identity profile] fafou.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
In terms of new cars I'd say the Mini. I know it's cliche but they keep their value better than any other car out there. Plus: German engineering.

[identity profile] sanj.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Scions stike me as unbelievably ugly, but I woman I know from chorus loves hers with a mad passion, so there you go.

As for the cliche cars -- the Prius, Civic, and Cooper are cliches for a reason: they don't suck. If you want a small, reliable, efficient car, you probably can't do better.

That said, I am on my second used Nissan Sentra now and am quite happy with it. I highly recommend Carmax as a source for lightly used cars with warranties. They have a specialized Toyota/Nissan store in, I think, Ellicott City... which may also have Scions, since they're a Toyota make.

Then again, the Mini Cooper was about the sexiest car I've ever test-driven. I love it with a mad passion, but it was priced a leetle bit high, even used. And it would be ludicrous to own such a nice engine unless I learned to drive stick. Which you do know how to do, so I recommend a test-drive to you.

I wanted to get a blue one and call it the Tardis. I'm just saying.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The Scion xB is right up there with the ugliest things on the road. (Along with the Element and the Avalanche -- though they've now all got competition from the Mini Clubman, so, you know, nobody's immune.) The tC is coupe-y and stupid, see also Chevy Cobalt. But the xD (what used to be the xA) is inoffensive. Not actively cute, but not something I'd be unwilling to be caught dead in.

I'ma test drive one tonight, I think. And give the Mini a lot more thought as well. And keep a Carmax tab open. And wish the responsible hybrid thing wouldn't add >$7K to the price of everything. Sigh.

[identity profile] fafou.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone in my office owns a blue Mini with the DC tags TARDIS.

Makes me smile every time I see it.

[identity profile] sanj.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Get me their phone number? ;)

[identity profile] flt.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have any suggestions - but if you want to email me privately we can talk about letting you log into my Consumer Reports account to access their car reviews online.
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[personal profile] thalia 2008-04-30 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I love my Acura TSX with an unholy passion, if you want to spend the money. And if you feel like doing some completely unrealistic but insanely fun test driving, try the Infiniti G3. Vroom.

When I was test-driving, I liked the Mazda3 (I think that's still what they're calling it) a *lot*. I'd say it's definitely worth a look, in addition to the usual suspects. And, seriously, I would have got a Prius if there hadn't been a three month wait.

The VW Passat is also very, very nice.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
The wait for the Prius around here is not so long; when I asked, the guy said the worst it's likely to get in the next little bit as the new model years come in is four weeks. I could handle that.

I'ma look at the Acura and Mazda sites; I hadn't considered either of those. The VW Passat is indeed very, very nice, and absolutely too much car for me. Note that what I'm giving up is a Jetta, and I'm not looking to replace it with even a Beetle. :-)

[identity profile] kmg-365.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
For what it's worth, I checked out the Acura TL before settling on the IS, and I found the seats to be incredibly uncomfortable. The RL is a different story - it was such a comfortable car I thought I would fall asleep while driving it. I wasn't willing to spend in the mid-40s for a car, so it wasn't an option.

[identity profile] impyvixen.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
1200 for replacing the timing belt?! WTF... that's like a $200 job, max...and that's for about 10 minutes of labor.

And even with replacing the water pump...

man, you're at one expensive dealership.


[identity profile] impyvixen.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
average cost of a timing belt - $20ish dollars

http://www.google.com/products?q=timing+belt&btnG=Search+Products

average cost of a water pump for a jetta - 30-80 dollars:

http://www.google.com/products?q=jetta+water+pump&btnG=Search+Products&show=dd

[identity profile] sosovirtuoso.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Jane is a 2001 (7th gen.) Honda Civic. I haven't much experience with the 8th generation, which started with the 2006 model year. I love Jane. Strengths include superlative controls ergonomics-wise in the clean/efficient vein, good road feel, and an above average shifter (if you like to drive stick). Weaknesses include mediocre brake feel and so-so steering precision, although my brother tells me that the latter is typical of modern cars, even sports cars (he's also on the market for a new car, and has driven Jane). Mileage is about 33mpg in (sub)urban driving, about 37mpg cruising, roughly plus 2ish on summer blend. I believe it has a 13.2gal/50L tank with a gauge calibrated to 45L, but that's still 400+ miles per tank fairly safely, and 350+ effortlessly even in city driving.

I could easily regale you with more picayune details, and you're welcome to take her for a spin if you like.

[identity profile] sosovirtuoso.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
P.S. Jane's (probably) not for sale, though. ;D