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ellen_fremedon's family tree yourself, click the thumbnail below but NOT the lj-cut!
And now for the answers ...
As before, click the thumbnail to see the full-sized version, and then probably click again to zoom to actual full size.
Couple of notes:So as you've noticed, I've given the fullest names possible.
I have also hyphenated the names of married women born after about 1965, and of their children. Just because I did. :-)
[eta: Oh, and I've got 'Mrs Black, their mother' before Sirius and Regulus. Oops. Look for the fix in the next edition! [g]]
ellen_fremedon's family tree yourself, click the thumbnail below but NOT the lj-cut!And now for the answers ...
As before, click the thumbnail to see the full-sized version, and then probably click again to zoom to actual full size.
Couple of notes:
- Only names actually mentioned in canon are included. This means that we don't actually know the names of Sirius and Regulus' parents, nor of Fleur Delacour's father, for example. We don't know Ginny's middle name. If I'm wrong about this -- if you can quote me scripture revealing these names -- by all means let me know, and I'll amend the chart.
- Only people whose names we know (by the above standard) are numbered. No, I know. I'll get back to this in a second.
- So what are people without numbers doing on the chart? Well, we can reasonably deduce that they existed -- a person with a mother also has a father, for example -- but we don't know anything else about them. That is, when we know anything about one parent, the other is included; but if we know nothing about either, then neither is included. You'll be wondering about the generation above #18. According to ellen_fremedon, the mother of Sirius and Regulus Black probably married her cousin [whose father was her father's brother]; because she treated the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black as her own ancestral home, it is likely her maiden name was also Black. No, we don't care what JKR has to say about it, remember?
- And what about people whose names we obviously don't know, by the above standard, but who have numbers? There are three of these, and I think the standard is pretty clear: we met them (or they were mentioned specifically), but they were not actually named.
- Names in square brackets are logical deductions on my part.
- Nobody should call himself Ted who isn't named Theodore, for example, so I submit that Ted Tonks and his grandson were both named Theodore at least officially. Ditto Molly < Mary. And so on.
- It appears to be a wizarding tradition that the father's name be the eldest son's middle name. Based, I admit, on a sample size of n=4: Albus Percival, William Arthur, Harry James, and Teddy Remus. It seems a logical conclusion that other wizards who are eldest sons of wizards -- so, not Ted Tonks and not Severus Snape -- would have the middle names indicated.
- Nobody should call himself Ted who isn't named Theodore, for example, so I submit that Ted Tonks and his grandson were both named Theodore at least officially. Ditto Molly < Mary. And so on.
[eta: Oh, and I've got 'Mrs Black, their mother' before Sirius and Regulus. Oops. Look for the fix in the next edition! [g]]
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I got all but Apolline and Abraxas, and I mixed up the Lestrange brothers, but I submit that Bella probably did, too. ;P
I agree with you on the name thing except for three exceptions: we learn in the trial scene in OotP that Percy's legal name is Percy Ignatius Weasley, and Harry is Harry James Potter. Also, when Remus announces the birth of his son, he calls him Teddy from the get-go, and this seems odd unless it's his given name. I think this might just be a think of JKR's, however, as she names people with nicknames quite a lot. So maybe she's just wrong. ;)
Also, though I agree from your samples that naming the eldest son with his father's first name as his middle is standard, I suggest that James 2.0 is as likely to be James Sirius Potter, because Harry seems to have had complete rein over the naming of his and Ginny's children (I can't see Ginny coming up with "Albus Severus" on her own), and he seems to like to name them for his dead.
Seriously, I was cackling with geekitude. You guys rule.
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Re Ginny: I see your point, but gah, while I've never been the girl's biggest fan, I'ma need her to stand up somewhat in this case. Even pushing40!Harry is a self-centered brat -- "Albus was the only one of his children who had green eyes", indeed? Whose children? Their children, maybe? (See, don't get me started.) So I imagine the following conversations took place.(two years later)(two years later)LOVE the icon, by the way!
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*sigh* Lily ... Frederica?
You have to imagine that there was, in fact, a toin coss, and big, green, I-was-raised-in-a-cupbard-and-don't-you-love-me-anymore eyes. And that Harry cheated on the coin toss. And that Ginny let him, but made him pay for it when "his" precious children crashed the flying motorcycle in the neighbors' Venomous Tentacula hedge.
That is, unless JKR's apparent subtext is correct, and heterosexual intercourse *does* give women a prefrontal lobotomy and interfere with their backbone. One hopes this is merely a perverse feminist reading of the source text. :P
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